Talk:Sakura Moon Empire

Please keep in mind that Sakura Moon is not a kingdom, nor a legal amtgard chapter.

Sakura Moon Representatives; if you continue to edit this page with out discussion it will be locked.

-Linden

65.32.244.57; Is it not in fact true that your group uses a mash up of our rulebooks to play by? Are you not aware that this practice is not only unfortunate but in violation of copyright law?

-Linden

Contention

It would be fair to put one of those "contents of this article are in dispute" tag on this article like Wikipedia does. I think the hardest part about resolving the dispute is that most of the Sakura Moon people, particularly the leadership, don't seem willing to step forward and engage in discussion. Maybe they could submit an alternate entry for the Shogunate. -Maurdr

-Glen

I used to be in the SMS i was a leader but after i posted the make a page article they have seemed rather unhappy with me. Currently i belong to no group but i do plan on joining the kingdom of neverwinter. I find the current leaders of the SMS to be friends, but i will not play amtgard with them again until a certain person has resigned his position of power. He knows who im talking to.

Updated material was tampered with

Roger; the earlier edit of Make a page actually had relevant information on it, the one that was transfered to the SMS page appears to be tampered with.

-Linden

i am maurdr i created the make a page i didnt know how to create one so i guessed if you would like some information for the sakura moon shogunate page let me know and i can give you some

Thank you Maurdr. We would like some more information on SMS; Park names, locations, Leadership, traditions. Examples of weapons. Anything that would give us a more clear picture on the group. -Linden

ok the group is based off of the oriental leadership where you have a shogun his prime minister then retainees gaku and other things. the names are as follows for lowry park sosei bonzai, the 2 in orlando redmangetsu, and azure gengetsu, brooksville the rosuto woood, westpalm beach the crushing tide. the weapons they favor are flat blades theyre made of carbon golf shafts, pipe foam, camping foam, duck tape, and the nickle on top on the carbon, there are a few archers, spearmen, and sword and shield wielders. most of the players have chosen the class scout, or warrior. in the lowry park group there are 2 houses one made up of 10 pirates, the other of an old group that couldnt make it anymore.also the leader is a bit corrupt in his head he sells swords from a company named the sleeping samurai the go to conventions over florida selling them for around 30 dollars. also at the last feast he was charging people to play. i need to log off for a class but ill be on later to update more.-maurdr

i recreated the make a page there is more information on there if you could name it correctly and lock it so the leader os SMS doesnt reedit it. if i could be allowed to edit it still though.-maurdr

Stuff taken from the "Sword Fight Club Forums" via Lurker

Ok basic RPG idea. A player starts with base stats based on class. There are 12 classes in amtgard, 2 of which you have to be knighted for. Knighting is not easy and therefore I will discuss that really only if asked.

In our group we only accept 4. Those are Warrior (samurai), Assassin, (Shinobe), Scout (Sekkou), Barbarian (Jomon).

Samurai are basic front line fighters. Using shields, javelins, multiple weapons, polearms of different sorts, armor and they most have lives.

Shinobe are basically rogues whom fight with limited weapons like one long sword one short, etc. They have only 3 lives to start and eventually have limited magic abilitys, a few more lives and limited armour.

Sekkou are basically warrior-light. Instead of employing larger shields and heavy armor they use recurve bow giving them an effective range. They work well with their brothers the Samurai. In intent they are basically around to take out magic users and Shinobe.

Jomon are Samurai that have slightly different stats and, as a rule, don't act civilized. They have less lives, less armour and a minor amount of magic. AND I hate them.

We have a few other classes (RD has both a Druid and a healer) but its not worth going into.

As for the levels: Every 12 credits (1 point for showing up and a half point if you come out a second time - thusly we pack out 2 days a week), we get a new level. The Max levels in Amtgard are 6. At that point you've played so freakin long in one class you often (not always) pick a different class OR you do what I do. Stay samurai*.

Each time you level up, you have to pass a guild test that tells the Admin if your ready for new abilitys and if you know about OTHER character types and how to combat them, etc. Assuming you pass, which isn't hard, you can use your new stats.

The details: by second level you MUST be in garb. No garb, no level. You don't have to pick a class until you have 12 credits for any given class, though many pick long before that.

On a personal note; I love the class system. I like the idea of faternal order (guilds) and seniority.

• technically I have 6 levels in Warrior, 4 in scout and 6 in monk but I play Samurai as a rule.

anyway; there it is from our other discussion.

Proposed new page for SMS

a Boffer Group, located in Central Flordia.

History

The Sakura Moon Shoganuate is a group founded by a former Amtgarder. They exist in central Florida right in the midst of the Kingdom of Neverwinter. They have yet to sign a contract with the BLBoD, or any other group though some of their members have expressed interest in doing so on E-Sam.

Sakura moon operates in a very "Asian" theme atmosphere. Their parks, garb, officers, and even the classes that they play are usually inspired by the orient and related areas.

Unfortunately, some of the leadership of Sakura Moon have chosen to change the rulebook, using a mash up of 6.0 and 7.0.

It has been reported by members of SMS on Esam that they are currently seeking a contract, have signed waivers and are updating their weapons so that they are all legal under our 7.0 standards.

Parks

• Red MangetsuOrlando, Florida
• Azure GengetsuOrlando, Florida
• Rosuto WoodBrooksville, Florida
• Crushing TideWest Palm Beach, Florida
• Red Dawn no longer exists
• Sosei BonzaiTampa, florida

And possibly two others in Tampa and Brooksville

Contacts and Directions

Myspace profile page

Rights to Edit

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Category : Florida Category : Other LARPS

Linden, with all due respect, I would like to know why someone who has left SMS is supposedly allowed to edit the page while other SMS members are not given that right? You have quoted yourself on your wiki page saying:

"I edit the Wiki a lot, mostly with information that I find on the internet through kingdom sites and the ORK, and when I get bored of updating my Kingdom I go and update others. If I have edited your page and you don't like it, please feel free to change it, your wiki page belongs to you and you should control what it says." Also feel free to email me if you need any help"

It seems to me that if this were to be locked, someone who has more authority within SMS should have a say on what is posted, as opposed to someone who isn't even a current member in the group.

Again I'm sorry if I come off harsh, but it just seems rather unjustified. I would also like to say that this is my personal view and I, in no way, represent the view of any other members of SMS. I'm just a fairly new member to the group who has befriended these people and trying to defend their rights to this page. Lastly Linden, I would like to apologize for editing the information about the rulebook mash up earlier on the page. It just seemed like a negative comment and I thought I was within my right to change it since this is a wiki page, but I do realize I should have discussed it first and came to this decision rather hastily. So for that I apologize. Thank you very much for your time.

-65.32.244.57

Response to "Rights to edit"

65.32.244.57; I understand your concern about what appears to be favoritism. However, Maurdr is just like you not allowed to edit the main SMS article. At this time due to excessive editing with out discussion ( not just you, the page was edited several times) the page is locked. I recently updated the page with a little bit more information, I did so with the approval of the wiki uber admin Roger after I had opened the he changes for discussion (see above).

If there is anything that you disagree with, or would just like changed (syntax, word use, content, ect) , please feel free to site it and with discussion slowly change the page. It's just not okay for people to take down the information already present and replace it with posts about "Drama". This is an information source, and should not be biased (If we can help it).

So please 65.32.244.57, what would you like to change?

Linden 08:14, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

very good point i have not edited this site since it has been locked and i dont plan to.-maurdr

Locations, Contacts

We still need locations and contacts for each of the groups. What park do they play in? On what day, at what Time?

Linden 17:52, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Rights to Edit: Requests

Thank you very much for listening Linden. I kinda thought that Maurdr wasn't able to edit the page on his own, but since he said, "i recreated the make a page there is more information on there if you could name it correctly and lock it so the leader os SMS doesnt reedit it. if i could be allowed to edit it still though.-maurdr" I thought that maybe he did have that ability.

Anyways that is beside the point, like I said before I'm not part of the SMS leadership, in fact im in the lowest of the low, but as far as I know, most of us are not willing to post the location of our parks and the times we meet. However I did look around at other kingdoms on the wiki and saw that this was common practice. It seems that this allows for people to "spy" on other groups in preparation for battle, and I was wondering if there was any precedents in place to either prevent or discourage this act, or if it is fact common practice. As most members of the SMS have recently admitted, we are well aware that we are not Amtgard legal (as of yet), so how the act of "spying" is treated within Amtgard is something that at least I am not aware of. If we could keep that information private that would alieviate some of the drama I believe, but I realize alot of discussion would probably be needed if this were to happen at all. I'm just working with what I got.

Secondly, though I can't speak for other groups, I know that my group within the Shogunate does not use a "mash up" of 6 and 7. We use 7.0 and just rename some of the classes, but there abilities and all other aspects of the class are unchanged. What we don't implement from the rules is that we still use some of those slimmer boffers that aren't legal by Amtgard standards (though changes are in place to do away with those weapons and switch to Amtgard legal boffers...at least in my group), but that seems to be the only rule we are failing to abide by. If someone can put forth evidence that we use rules from 6.0 only, then I will stop my request here, but if no credible evidence is found, can we please delete the line that states we use a rulebook mash up, or at least say we are attempting or in the process of conforming to 7.0 standards?

Thanks again for your time reading my requests. I hope we get to play with you all soon...legally :)

-65.32.244.57